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THIS BLOG FOCUSES, FIRST, ON THE QUESTION WHY THE SERBIANS AND MILOSEVIC WERE MADE EXCLUSIVELY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DISINTEGRATION AND THE CRIMES COMMITTED DURING THE DISINTEGTRATION. I.E. IT IS QUESTION OF HOW AND WHY SUCH A HUGE MAJORITY OF WESTERN NEWS CONSUMERS ARRIVED AT THAT CONCLUSION AND THEN ACTED UPON IT IN A VARIETY OF WAYS, ONE OF THEM BEING ATTACKS ON THE ANYTHING BUT A PERSONAL SAINT, PETER HANDKE'S WORK, REALLY GANGED UP ON THE WORK.

Thursday, May 6, 2010

Roloff-breviary-position

HERE ARE DRAFTS , BEGINNIGS OF TWO OF MY THREE ":BREVIARIES" AS I CALL THEM.... MY FEPLY TO THE NOAM CHOMSKY QUESTION, MY SUCCINCT TAKE ON THE DISINTEGRATION OF YUGOSLAVIA, THE ELABORATE VERSION IS ON THAT PAGE.. AND A SUCCINCT PIECE ON HANDKE AND SERBIA....




I propose as a focus the below observation of Noam Chomsky's and want to approach it in the form of the wonderfully analytic question that the German novelist-historian of the Third Reich, Walter Kempowksy used so as to acquire some knowledge of how people felt:
“Did you ever see Hitler”

This inquiry, too, is a post mortem, on the two matters in the subject line of this communication, two related subjects, the second arising out of the former, at  the developing
http://handke-yugo.blogspot.com/2010/05/psychoanalytic-page-mass-and-class.html
   
http://handke-yugo.blogspot.com/2010/05/discussion-page.html 

pages of

http://handke-yugo.blogspot.com/

and its 20+ pages, Links to which are at the bottom of this communication.

Although you may wish to use other examples with which you are more familiar. You may have your own examples other than the Yugoslav/ Handke which serves me so well because I am fairly well informed on the former, and exceedingly so on the latter, which is no guarantee of anything as I know only too well.




"The nefarious atrocities regularly elicit religious fervor, dramatic posturing, baseless claims to inflate, them as much as possible - and fury if anyone does, not blindly join the parade, but seeks to determine, the truth, cites the most reputable authorities, exposes the innumerable fabrications. The common reaction to such treachery is an impressive torrent of deceit. There is an instructive record quite well documented in many cases. The reasons are not hard to explain. The topic should be pursued, systematically, but that is unlikely, obviously."

http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/article1222253.ece

 



I reformulate the question slightly into:
“Have you ever seen Milosevic”
How did you happen to hear of him,
What news sources did you trust?
Say, the New York Times?
What network and network of friends…
At what point did you feel that you knew
enough to make up your mind.
What images stuck in your mind?
Did you discuss him and the breakup of Yugoslavia with the same kind of discernment and conscientiousness as you would a bone of analytic contention? To what extent did group consensus sway you? Or did you decide that there was no way you could reach a conclusion unless you devoted a great deal of work and time, which you lacked, to unraveling the question? That is, that you would let “history” decide for you?

And my and your answers to this challenging question will be our 100 birthday present to Noam.

I also wanted to ask you to forward this communication to those who you think might be interested.

My own bi-partite attempt to unravel this complex that lies at the intersection of mass and individual and class psychology you will find for the Yugoslavia question on line, both as main-text and on the comments page to facilitate continuity, at:

http://handke-yugo.blogspot.com/2010/05/psychoanalytic-page-mass-and-class.html

But see:

http://handke-yugo.blogspot.com/2010/04/history-of-yugo-slavia-and-its-break-up.html  [3]
for background material



http://handke-yugo.blogspot.com/2010/05/discussion-page.html [18] 

And for the Handke at:

http://handke-yugo.blogspot.com/2010/05/roloff-breviary-of-Handke-position.html 


Several very long piece of mine in which I sought to puzzle out Handke’s involvement for myself are at:

http://handke-yugo.blogspot.com/2010/04/this-is-first-piece-i-wrote-on-subject.html  [8]

http://handke-yugo.blogspot.com/2010/04/sorting-out-handkes-intervention-in.html [9]]

One page devoted to bringing together a lot of basic material about Yugoslavia from its origins in the 19th Century and earlier to the present.

http://handke-yugo.blogspot.com/2010/04/history-of-yugo-slavia-and-its-break-up.html [3]
 

http://handke-yugo.blogspot.com/2010/05/psychoanalytic-page-mass-and-class.html [5]



Here is a summary of my response to Noam Chomsky’s query which are elaborated at the breviary and analytic sites:

1] Once a match was struck to the tinder box that Yugoslavia had become by the early 90s the disintegrating forces of Nationalism and Ethnicity and Religious fanaticism produced  general mayhem, the more so because of certain violent features of Yugoslavia’s 20th century history. It is foolish to assign blame to one or the other tribe or nationality, even the International Court in de Hague seeks to be even-handed in prosecuting individuals from all parties, Kosovo Albanians, Croatians, Bosnian Muslims,, Bosnian Serbs, and Serbians. Thus the Serbs indeed got the worst of it in each and every respect ultimately.




2] Handke’s involvement was instantly  suspect, for its exhibitionism, also it seemed to contradict his recent [late 1980s] adoption of his grandfather’s Slovenian identity, his liking of small countries with difficult borders, yet also fit my understanding of him as someone who speaks up and goes to justice, for language, it had been as it were second nature to him since his appearance. Thus I followed the 3+ coming of the Handke part of the controversy with great attention.

3] To answer Noam Chomsky’s conundrum means to think on what it means to make people righteous, apparently babies can be, and it is one drive over which religions and political parties manage to acquire control. It means to address the psychic economy of the individual and of the a certain class, information theory comes into it.

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I propose as a focus the below observation of Noam Chomsky's and want to approach it in the form of the wonderfully analytic question that the German novelist-historian of the Third Reich, Walter Kempowksy used so as to acquire some knowledge of how people felt:
“Did you ever see Hitler”

This inquiry, too, is a post mortem, on the two matters in the subject line of this communication, two related subjects, the second arising out of the former, at  the developing
http://handke-yugo.blogspot.com/2010/05/psychoanalytic-page-mass-and-class.html
   
http://handke-yugo.blogspot.com/2010/05/discussion-page.html 

pages of

http://handke-yugo.blogspot.com/

and its 20+ pages, Links to which are at the bottom of this communication.

Although you may wish to use other examples with which you are more familiar. You may have your own examples other than the Yugoslav/ Handke which serves me so well because I am fairly well informed on the former, and exceedingly so on the latter, which is no guarantee of anything as I know only too well.




"The nefarious atrocities regularly elicit religious fervor, dramatic posturing, baseless claims to inflate, them as much as possible - and fury if anyone does, not blindly join the parade, but seeks to determine, the truth, cites the most reputable authorities, exposes the innumerable fabrications. The common reaction to such treachery is an impressive torrent of deceit. There is an instructive record quite well documented in many cases. The reasons are not hard to explain. The topic should be pursued, systematically, but that is unlikely, obviously."

http://news.independent.co.uk/people/profiles/article1222253.ece

 



I reformulate the question slightly into:
“Have you ever seen Milosevic”
How did you happen to hear of him,
What news sources did you trust?
Say, the New York Times?
What network and network of friends…
At what point did you feel that you knew
enough to make up your mind.
What images stuck in your mind?
Did you discuss him and the breakup of Yugoslavia with the same kind of discernment and conscientiousness as you would a bone of analytic contention? To what extent did group consensus sway you? Or did you decide that there was no way you could reach a conclusion unless you devoted a great deal of work and time, which you lacked, to unraveling the question? That is, that you would let “history” decide for you?

And my and your answers to this challenging question will be our 100 birthday present to Noam.

I also wanted to ask you to forward this communication to those who you think might be interested.

My own bi-partite attempt to unravel this complex that lies at the intersection of mass and individual and class psychology you will find for the Yugoslavia question on line, both as main-text and on the comments page to facilitate continuity, at:

http://handke-yugo.blogspot.com/2010/05/psychoanalytic-page-mass-and-class.html

But see:

http://handke-yugo.blogspot.com/2010/04/history-of-yugo-slavia-and-its-break-up.html  [3]
for background material



http://handke-yugo.blogspot.com/2010/05/discussion-page.html [18] 

And for the Handke at:

http://handke-yugo.blogspot.com/2010/05/roloff-breviary-of-Handke-position.html 


Several very long piece of mine in which I sought to puzzle out Handke’s involvement for myself are at:

http://handke-yugo.blogspot.com/2010/04/this-is-first-piece-i-wrote-on-subject.html  [8]

http://handke-yugo.blogspot.com/2010/04/sorting-out-handkes-intervention-in.html [9]]

One page devoted to bringing together a lot of basic material about Yugoslavia from its origins in the 19th Century and earlier to the present.

http://handke-yugo.blogspot.com/2010/04/history-of-yugo-slavia-and-its-break-up.html [3]
 

http://handke-yugo.blogspot.com/2010/05/psychoanalytic-page-mass-and-class.html [5]



Here is a summary of my response to Noam Chomsky’s query which are elaborated at the breviary and analytic sites:

1] Once a match was struck to the tinder box that Yugoslavia had become by the early 90s the disintegrating forces of Nationalism and Ethnicity and Religious fanaticism produced  general mayhem, the more so because of certain violent features of Yugoslavia’s 20th century history. It is foolish to assign blame to one or the other tribe or nationality, even the International Court in de Hague seeks to be even-handed in prosecuting individuals from all parties, Kosovo Albanians, Croatians, Bosnian Muslims,, Bosnian Serbs, and Serbians. Thus the Serbs indeed got the worst of it in each and every respect ultimately.




2] Handke’s involvement was instantly  suspect, for its exhibitionism, also it seemed to contradict his recent [late 1980s] adoption of his grandfather’s Slovenian identity, his liking of small countries with difficult borders, yet also fit my understanding of him as someone who speaks up and goes to justice, for language, it had been as it were second nature to him since his appearance. Thus I followed the 3+ coming of the Handke part of the controversy with great attention.

3] To answer Noam Chomsky’s conundrum means to think on what it means to make people righteous, apparently babies can be, and it is one drive over which religions and political parties manage to acquire control. It means to address the psychic economy of the individual and of the a certain class, information theory comes into it.




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http://handke-yugo.blogspot.com/2010/05/dear-mrrs-sulzberger-kelleret-al-i.html [20]


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